Monday, June 09, 2008

My Red Hulk Theory

So I've been following the current Red Hulk story, and reading through my old Incredible Hulks, and I think I have my theory as to the identity of this new crimson bruiser. (Speculative SPOILERS follow...)






Major Glenn Talbot was a longtime thorn in the Hulk's side, while serving as Bruce's romantic rival for Betty. Talbot even married Betty for a time, but that ended fairly quickly in divorce. He met his alleged death in Incredible Hulk #260, having stolen the experimental War Wagon to wage a desperate last-bid attack on the Hulk. Talbot had tracked the the Hulk to Japan with the deadly flying fortress, accompanied only by "the Brain", War Wagon's guiding artificial intelligence. At least until Talbot sees the Hulk and flips out, Ahab style:


Finally, Talbot and the Hulk have their showdown on a movie set near the sacred volcano Glenn just got done blasting:


So Talbot "died" under a deluge of molten lava while mentally bonded with a fantastical computerized battle wagon/artificial intelligence and was declared dead with no body found. Yeah, that'll stick in a universe where even Uncle freakin' Ben eventually came back. We've already seen that Red Hulk emits incredible, volcanic heat, recognizes most of the Hulk cast, and there are certainly enough back doors in that "death" to exploit, so I guess we'll see. Whadda you think?

47 comments:

Alex said...

That totally sounds plausible. Granted, I know nothing about the Hulk.

Blockade Boy said...

...But where's the dapper little mustache?

In all seriousness, that's a very cool theory. Bravo, good sir!

snell said...

Makes sense to me...but does Loeb??

Arifoglu said...

Dude, Red Hulk is Ares! Quesada said that.

Sleestak said...

its best if it was an unknowm person and i hope it isnt quartermain

LurkerWithout said...

Didn't they already do a quasi-resurection with the Gamma Squad or whatever the mini was called? Part of World War Hulk, group of Gamma irradiated soldiers? I think one was called Talbot. Of course I only skimmed the one issue and then gave up, since it was awful...

joe bloke said...

willie lumpkin. it's willie lumpkin.

or did i dream it?

Arifoglu said...

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.3507.MyCup_o~apos~_Joe_Week_7

"3) Red Hulk vs. Mighty Avengers. Coming up?

3) It's probably inevitable. I mean, after all, the Red Hulk is secretly Ares. Wait! Who said that?"

: ))

allaboutduncan said...

I'll be disappointed now if its not Talbot. Perfect theory.

Phillyradiogeek said...

I wasn't aware of Talbot's specific "death" scenario, but I've thought almost from the beginning that it was Talbot--it has to be. Just by the fact that he knows all of the Hulk players (as someone already said) and that he was positively ID'ed at Gamma Base (but Red Hulk destroyed the ID computer before it revealed the identity to the readers).

I'm enjoying the storyline qutie a bit, and I'm surprised many aren't. Am I missing something? I'm just getting back into comics post-WWH.

Anonymous said...

It's what I've thought all along. Good call. Of course, we could both be wrong--but probably not.

Cully said...

I have the same damn theory since nobody is "Bucky dead" anymore. Let's see if we're right.

coco67 said...

I think it's Hawkman!

Siskoid said...

I think you've got it, Brian.

Crackerbob said...

My theory has been Ross as the Red Hulk, but yours is much better.

Harvey Jerkwater said...

The Hulk actually killed Talbot? I never knew that. Crazy.

Otto Weininger said...

Nope. This possibility assumes Loeb is a historian, which isn't likely. Red Hulk is Doc Sampson. Reread the first four issues - Loeb left clues allover the map (banner's comments). If someone has been dead for a long time, the military installation/Shield Helicarrier would not recognize the dead person.

Anonymous said...

im sorry, but loeb (actually mcguiness) left clues as to the way the red hulk poses with weapons. yes, if you go back to the grey hulk days when the hulk hung our with rick and, none other then quartermain, youll see some of the same poses that quartermain has with humungous rifles. if you think was enough to id quartermain, look at the hair do.

Anonymous said...

nice job, but i still say red hulk sucks my dickscicle

stening said...

Hmm i had considered Talbot as a possibility myself but it sounds so vey unlikely that i dont buy that , yet. For instance, would Talbot really still have Gamma Base clearance? And how do you explain the yellow blood?
Samaon is aesthetically unlikely too (how do you make an angry gun nut with samaons personality?) but Talbot framing Samson? possibility.

I have been putting together my own case and im about ready to say ....... its the Maestro.
Go on pick that apart.

christman001 said...

red hulk is tony stark, at end of WWH stark was hit with a red beam that took out the hulk so that beam had to be gamma. he took doc samson cuz samson could profile hime and let everyone know who he is. he took out thor cuz thor made him walk home in thor #2 or #3. the iron man on shield carrier is a skrull

Anonymous said...

I think red hulk is captain america
tony starks stole is body from the morgue and brought it under s.h.i.e.l.d installation (CAPTAIN AMERICA #25).Since captain america was is friend.Then doc samson and general ross in (hulk#6)clearly show that red hulk is there creation to kill the hulk.
HINTS the scan at shield facility is authorizing acces to the red hulk as if he was a shield employee and he smash the scan as it was going to tell is identity(hulk#3).
Doc samson and ross could have stole the skinny body off the super soldier and expose him to gamma rays that could have revived him and reversed the effect off the super serum turning him red and huge.
The weapon could have been made by ross or samson in the helicarrier
for redhulk since it comes from there.
Then again Steve Rodgers (CAPTAIN AMERICA)would have all the reason to go on a rampage as the REDHULK after what he went throught in the civil war lost.
Plus is vicious execution.


THATS WHY CAPTAIN AMERICA IS REDHULK............

When tony starks find that steve body is missing the real action will start. Well see next issues
to clarify that.
thank you GUM STEPHANE GAMELIN

Anonymous said...

Arifoglu, Quesada was joking when he said it was Ares...

Besides that Ares has now appeared in the comic and is obviously not Red Hulk

Colin F said...

Yeah I was thinking it could be him and decided to search on the internet to see if anyone agreed.

It all kinda works for Talbot to be Rulk. He has previous gamma exposure, he hates the Hulk, he works for Thunderbolt Ross, and its shown in all his battles (especially with Thor in Hulk #5) that he has a great strategic mind and knew how to track and fight the Hulk.

I was a little awed when they made it look like Samson was the definite pick.

Anonymous said...

It's not Ares, we know that.

I don't think it's Leonard Samson but there's still something weird going on there. In the start of HULK Samson has his brush cut, when we last see him in HULK #6, he's got his old rocker hair again. Why are his clothes ripped? And when Stark goes to Reed Richards' place to have the recording of Ross, Samson & Banner, Banner mentions something about Samson that's not clarified.

In HULK #7 we're reminded of a RULK battle with a Wendigo. Banner shows up in Vegas tracking RULK and is almost hit by a RED ferrari driven by an arrogant jerk referred to by his girlfriend as "Stephen". Ol' Stephen here, despite his obviously powerful stature is covered in bandages, some of which over wounds that look like they could have been caused by claws (from Wendigo fight mayhaps?). Stephen has a black brush cut (like RULK) and is carrying a steel briefcase (maybe the missing SHIELD pistol?). His girlfriend makes a comment to the effect of him getting involved when the Wendigos show up in Vegas.. What's the point of this character? Is he RULK? Anyone recall any HULK character named Stephen?

I kind of like the Talbot idea. But I don't think it's him. He's too old a character. Newer readers that have never heard of Talbot would be like "Uh .. Who?" if that's revealed, I think that Loeb would make it more surprising than that.. I hope.

Brian Hughes said...

Interesting points about Samson. Stephen Grant is the secret ID of Moon Knight, and has his own book. He was just a guest star, not a red Hulk suspect.

Anonymous said...

Ah..
So the jerk in the Ferrari is Moon Knight. Don't know much about Moon Knight..

Still something fishy about Samson..

We know that Rick Jones, Gen. Ross & Samson all seem to know the identity of RULK from the last few pages of HULK #6.
The three of them are all seen with RULK, or at least Gen. Ross and RULK in the same panels with Samson and Jones at the same location. We see Samson with what appears to be the SHIELD pistol, although if it's the same one RULK used I would think it would look bigger..

I dunno. The more I think about it, the more I wonder if Loeb is just screwing with us and there's going to be some lameass cop-out explanation that makes no sense.

Is it possible the Abomination's remains found in Russia in #1 were doctored? Could Blonsky be RULK after some sort of procedure concocted by Ross & Samson?
Obviously neither Ross or Samson want anyone to know who RULK is, but why?

Anonymous said...

PS: I thought Samson was a bloody psychiatrist.. What's with the C.S.I analysis he walks SHE-HULK through in HULK #1? He seems to know a little more than should be possible about foot prints in a fist fight turned assassination.

Anonymous said...

Enhanced Doc Samson clone?

jonathan said...

Just a thought, but..............where has Dr Strange been lately? He did battle with the Hulk during WWH, and then starting getting weird before he left the New Avengers. I think he is the RULK. But why would he kill?

Beefcake said...

I believe Red Hulk is Clay Quarterman .. He apperntly Died while with Ross and Samsone but we never seen him around .. Remember it had to be Someone with access to the Base because the Robot Gaurd scanned the Red Hulk's Eye and was going to give him access to base before Rulk destroyed it

camazzone said...

While I fully support the talbot theory as it seems to make perfect since I must agree with some of the others in that it is quartermain. I reread all the issues of the new hulk series, and there are tons of unknowns and some things to contradict the samson, ross or quartermain theories. In the second issue when rulk attacks the helicarrier, iron man finds quartermain with ross, then gets attacked by rulk and in the same frame you see quartermain who is later found dead in issue three or four where they find samson's coat ripped. But how many times has fury used LMDs in the past, which quartermain has also been replaced with before. As stated by others here, rulk knows the rest of the hulk cast which talbot or quartermain would, quartermain being part of the hulkbusters in the past. Plus, like beefcake said, he is recognized by the security scan at gamma base. I don't think its samson since like someone else said he takes down rick after hulk beats rulk, just before rick can tell him who rulk is. Then at the same location, though not in the same panel, general ross tells rulk he's on his own cause they gave him all the tools he needed to beat hulk, further implying him, samson and possibly quartermain(rulk) the only three people unaccounted for after the helicarrier goes down and stated to be together before it happened are in cahoots. But there are still many unknowns, how did samson lose his shirt? How did rick become a-bomb? How did hulk become dumb but not fully back to childlike again, then swap between gray and green? Why is there now more than one wendigo? Who altered the volume on the tape when banner said something to ross(reed richards says it was intentionally lowered just before a virus from the tape crashes his system) and what did banner say to Ross? Oh and rulk said the abomination was hiding from him, how long was he chasing him? Oh well, in a world with LMDs, skrulls and time travel who knows. and sorry if I didn't give credit to somebody who already brought up a point I repeated

Anonymous said...

well, red hulk has a jar-head, and this colonel guy doesnt.

i think it could be possible, but he just doesnt share any physical similareties like hulk does with banner

Damage Incarnate said...

Who is Red Hulk?

All the clues seem to point to Glenn Talbot, but he died in the War Wagon.
However, his mind had been copied and installed in someone else’s body once before.

Writers love to throw ‘back from the dead’ at us, I would not be surprised to find out we have a gamma irradiated clone with thought implants, or that it was a clone in the War Wagon, or that he ‘somehow survived’ by the control helmet being knocked off a split second before his brain was fried, or something.

For my money, Glenn Talbot is probably Rulk, dead or no.

Talbot hated Banner and Hulk equally, got his heart crushed in rivalry for betty's love, and went totally psycho rampage after Hulk.

As to recent access, It looks like whoever it is Ross has a hand in it, if Talbot was never really dead Ross would have kept access for him live.

Sure it could be Quartermain, but Talbot makes much better dramatic sense, it makes a better story. Sometimes writers like to give the nerds a nod by picking something everyone else has forgotten and giving it centre stage. Hell Talbot has the thick jaw and even looks like Rulk if you shave off his 'tach.

Looking at recent issues the argument gets stronger, I mean did Hulk or Banner ever leave Quartermain "Broken Hearted"?

Roman Stadtler said...

Good theory. And if I may add to it, maybe Talbot has become Red Hulk (sorry, "Rulk" is just freakin' dumb) by subjecting himself to General John Ryker's machinations. Ryker was that shadowy figure from Bruce Jones run, that has a history of experimenting on people with gamma energy, he hates Hulk/Banner, and he also lost his wife to cancer, which was somehow tied to Hulk (or so Ryker thought). And he had used Glenn Talbot's younger brother, Matt, in his experiments (see Gamma Corps mini), so there's a Talbot connection. He and Talbot would be a perfect team to create the ultimate anti-Hulk. Talbot is Red H., created by Ryker!

Anonymous said...

First, I hate Rulk (sorry roman but its RULK, and its rulk cuz he needs to sound as stupid as he is)
now I don't think your wrong but the problem with this is that if that makes some level of sense it can't be true. Jeph Loeb writes like a mix between a hyper-active 12 year old and 37 year old woman who makes srcipts for a day time soap opera. its got some cliff hangers and it has some explosions but its as deep as a kiddy pool, the comic is trash, Jeph Loeb is trash. I feel like sam neill at the end of "in the mouth of madness" I'm trying to tell you "Dont read the book! it will drive you mad!" but at the end I'm just going to end up trying to kill Jeph with a fire ax. if i don't kill him he's going to do something stupid just to add a twist, Rulk is probably Betty Banner

Anonymous said...

Don't like to be a nay-sayer but honestly I'm past caring who the Red Hulk is. The whole comic has become a joke, the strip at the end is of a level that a 5 year old would find insulting and only the art of McGuiness means it exists as a viable product

mickdum said...

is there any way to get loeb kicked off the hulk comics stop his daughter from writing that crap an the end of those wasted of paper his calls a comic i am now sick of the rulk his a very bad character even for comics picking up thors hammer in space? punching out the watcher? killing the grand master wiping out his offenders? at least hulks getting a showing in skaar hopefully that will get him back on track

Anonymous said...

its captain why not it makes perfect sence

Gambit said...

I think it's Talbot allright ... they said that they would give hints in Hulk #600 and I believe they did.

In the beginning of that book a flashback about WWH ... I believe the 5th page on the bottom ... centre pic ... In the helicopte next to General Ross sits a man. Half his face is shown but damn ... If I had to put my money on who that man is ... ;)

Arifoglu said...

Ares. It's obvious.

artlambi said...

It's Talbot for sure !
In Hulk # 600 you can see a man sitting in a army helicopter next to General Ross. His face is covered by shadow BUT you see a tiny mustache much like Talbot's one. Perhaps he shaved it after they turned him into Rulk or somethin' but I'm pretty sure now that Rulk IS Talbot.

Anonymous said...

Red Hulk has to be Talbot, if in fact his real identity is rooted in Hulk's past. I too put the lava death of Talbot as my reasoning. Here is some other points;
1. Uses Guns and knows SHIELD procedures.
2. Kills Abomination (revenge for Betty).
3. Works for Gen. Ross
4. No body recovered from Talbot's death.
5. MODOK and A.I.M. could have snatched him up, gave him Gamma Exposure.

Only thing seeming un-Talbot like is when he told Ross something about not taking orders from him in Hulk #14, which Red Hulk could me General Ryker, who outranks Colonel Talbot. Plus Red Hulk acts evil, when Talbot was moderately altruistic.

Jae Blacque said...

Note, Rulk may have been mean and menacing but aside from apparently killing the Abomination who has he killed? To me he from the start he was clearly not evil. I also am sure it's Glen Talbot. The Harpies were for him. He went after Abomination in part for revenge but also in DARK REIGN THE LIST SECRET WARRIOR there is a connection with Russia. Also, the Gremlin violated Talbot's mind way way way back in Hul (I think 188-200)

#6 said...

Talbot was my immediate thought. My next immediate thought was, "this is just Hulk version of Spider Clones. They're making it up as they go along LOST style to pad it out and make money. So there's no point worrying, because they'll just pick someone and try and make it fit."

Basically the company that lets Bendis wreck 46 years of continuity will be pretty blissfully unworried over this.

Anonymous said...

I'm starting to stop caring. Still think it's a Talbot. Likewise now guessing that "Red She-Hulk" is probabally gonna turn out to be a brainwashed Betty Ross clone/revivication/ressurection.

Anonymous said...

In Avenger X-Sanction cable says Talbot we have fought before many times. Mystery unfolded Talbot is Red Hulk